poll as requested, although i was under the impression that the change was overall well recieved

4

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5
or 80 bullets at machinegun at least

if you are fine with 4dmg but want more ammo for mg then vote 4 and post about ammo, and not just vote 5.

please vote 5dmg if you want 4dmg and more ammo

raged

dicked.

4mg is better but there should be enough ammo for it to be possible to take down a freshly spawned guy. If two guys respawn next to each other it's always dont to pummel lotto who takes the frag and that's just dumb.

4

more ammo; 65-75 maybe

4 dmg, and more ammo.

I said this so long ago. 4 damage, 75 bullets. Ammo should not be in short supply, it just shouldn't be too powerful.

5 dmg or more ammo, this camper corner camping is boring.

make damages in all modes equel thanks.

4 dmg lol, way to make a campy mod even campier
WE GONNA TICKLE THE OPPONENTS TILL THEY DIE? this is quake god dammit, make it atleast 5.

99% of tdm'ers are closet cs'ers and I base this on absolutely nothing. :>

4 dmg, more ammo

this

i'd say 4dmg and lower spread which would make it more balanced than 5dmg
and obv more ammo

Don't get why you need separate damage values in different modes. So instead of 200 damage (100 percent mg) a guy could do 250 damage (100 percent mg). Is that 50 damage really going to matter? No not really.

A freshly spawned player in the wrong area is usually an easy frag already, so there it is not going to make a difference.

Also have never seen many players hitting over 50 percent mg, unless they are in 1/2 yards of the opponent they are aiming at.

And it's not like you are going to out damage anyone with an actual weapon. Unlike railgun in close combat maybe, but railgun shouldn't be anywhere near a main weapon in close combat.

And also is it REALLY that significant? People miss shots, luck happens, team play matters, individual skill separates etc. It would only be good for teams who have decent team play and can cess down an area with 2-3 players with mg's against 1-2 opponents.

But I guess TDM pro's know better why that 1 damage changes the mode from noob friendly to uber pro. Last time I checked the best teams in TDM consist out of aimwhores bunched together and the teams with actual team play are still a step behind. Keeping 4 damage won't solve that, maybe 5 damage neither, but since the aimwhore team is usually also the one controlling the map, it's only better that mg does a bit more damage.

best tdm teams consist of old school q3 players (not necessarily super aimers, 4k for example) playing in a q3-based map pool with rigged map drop rules so they never have to play more than 1 new map, then dominate on osp5, osp6 and cpm4 which non-q3 teams have had half? a year to practise (in a 7 map mappool) while they've had the last decade to memorize absolutely everything on them.

tdm is much better with the sg as it is and mg at 4, a lot more tactical and teambased. before it was a lot closer to what you said, super aimers that could overpower _anyone_ just with raw hitscan

ur issue isnt really with mg dmg/ammo at all. as long as armors are weak a team of good aimers who stick together will find it easy going.

btw. i kinda agree with you on damage variations across modes. which is to say i think mg should be 4dmg across all modes.

i want it to stay the same, with same ammo amount.


edit: i had the wrong idea that mg was 5x50 in tdm. i want it that way.

4 dmg, moaaaar ammo

4 dmg, more ammo

something or nothing, moaaarr whine.

doesn't really matter that much

4 dmg and more ammo

4, more ammo

why do you vote 5 then?
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5 and more ammo. the way it is now is ridiculous.

and 100 armor on spawn too

No, but the way it is now is that people are running around with the gauntlet way too much.

Sometimes, when they have little health.

Not necessarily. Try playing CPM4 with 50 bullets and 4 damage.

Try getting a normal gun, perhaps? I agree that some more ammo would be nice.

Ya, 4-5 dmg is not that important but for the love of god add some bullets

in quakelive - 5
in quake 3 - 4

IMO

3! you want a rival for the blaster?

It's 2 :)

what is?

more ammo

3 dmg 30 ammo
(4dmg ~80 ammo to be srs)

surprised to see so many good players vote 5 and i really dont get it, the weapon that was so annoying before got nerfed to a level where it was still usable but those "fuck this shit" moments were gone from the game and what some people now call campy, i call less chaotic, i enjoyed the effect it had on gameplay in general.

its not less chaotic, its just that mg is useless now you ran out of mg and what have achieved with the 50 bullet you had? nothink......, only if hit 60+ mg acc which almost never happens mg will and is a useless weapon. And this weapon is used like 80% of the time in TDM, but you now you just end up with a pummel gun cause MG IS SO USELESS.

and ps the acc and the secs to kill someone with 5dmg and 4dmg(more ammo) and more dmg isnt that big if you calculate it btw... but 4dmg and 50ammo is just fucked up.

we have been playing TDM for so many years and now suddenly we have to make this gun a ultra low tier weapon...

its not less chaotic, its just that mg is useless now you ran out of mg and what have achieved with the 50 bullet you had? nothink......, only if hit 60+ mg acc which almost never happens mg will and is a useless weapon. And this weapon is used like 80% of the time in TDM, but you now you just end up with a pummel gun cause MG IS SO USELESS.

well it seems like most people agree that it sucks that you run out of ammo so fast, but that is no argument for a damage increase.
and how is a weapon like the mg useless? if you run into someone with an mg and he has a shaft well then sure you simply die, and you should. but if you have 2 guys who are set up correctly can still gun down someone with an rl unless he is right in their face and the fact that it can be used at a high range makes it useful by design no matter how much its nerfed.
to me it certainly feels less chaotic cause often times instead of rushing right from the spawn you currently have to regroup with other players or get a weapon first instead.

and ps the acc and the secs to kill someone with 5dmg and 4dmg(more ammo) and more dmg isnt that big if you calculate it btw... but 4dmg and 50ammo is just fucked up.

yes, we should at least boost the ammo, but i still think its a big (and important) difference between 4 and 5, its 20% of the damage afterall.

in the end it boils down to a matter of preference on how you like to play tdm i guess

Its doesnt have to be a offensive weapon when you spawn, you should be able to defend yourself while running away, now its just spawn and you die every single time.... cause you run out of ammo without barely doing damage and staying with a pummel you should know weapons spawn every 30secs thats quite a long time... you should consider that you use MG most of all weapons in TDM it shouldnt be a useless shit weapon

i guess you like to camp corners, if your talking about play style.

i dont see how mg damage has a big influence on corner camping. if anything a strong mg makes you hide around corners with rockets/plamsa more often cause you cant take a fight in the open against mg without giving up most of you health/armor

and no i dont like it

Cause a spawner with 5mg damage can do more damage to a camper?.... while a spawner with 4mg runs out of ammo? ... unless he hits 60+ acc

Everyone is agreeing there should be more ammo, lol.

stop using words like camper. ur just ruining your own argument with this whole reference to a campy tdm style. either stop it or just go back to ctf. jesus.

the ONLY argument for any change in mg at all is the fact that spawner vs spawner results in mg running out of ammo before either dies almost every time. which is why people want more ammo. and the fact that the nerfed mg makes a map like cpm4 shit isnt a reflection on how mg does in tdm, its a reflection of how much of a shit map cpm4 is in quakelive.

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4 dmg: 50% (46)
5 dmg: 50% (46)

pretty obvious who wants to 5mg everyone to death when they spawn trololo

and all you people bash ffa. :(

pretty obvious who can't aim and wants to simply eliminate their weakness from the game altogether trololo

nothing like a plus from draven

65ammo!

Now MG is 4 dmg in tdm.
50 bullets x 0.34 online mid acc x 4 = 68 and 5 sec
imho on LAN acc will be ~0.4 now and it will feels like 5 dmg
on EC3 (10 years ago!) mid acc on LAN was 0.25 and MG was 5 dmg, no comment =.)

5 dmg
50 bullets x 0.34 online mid acc x 5 = 85 (+17) and 5 sec

More bullets
75 bullets x 0.34 online mid acc x 4 = 102 (+34) and 7.5 sec
Now you theoretically can kill a player with a gun or player that just spawn with more acc, and forget about Guntlet ! Less fun =(

Lower spread
50 bullets x 0.44 for example x 4 = 88 (+17) and 5 sec
It almost the same as 5 dmg but it makes MG more powerful.
It is a worst scenario. Aimers will rule in tdm.

If ID do 4 dmg in all modes:
Less stealing frags in FFA
Who care about MG in CA ?:D
More teamplay in TDM
Less stupid returns when someone resp. on your way.

Weaker MG - better teamplay !

Yes, and rail and lg and sg damages all were different too then good comparison... not.

your logic is baffling. all the other weapons have been made weaker and mg stayed at 5 for a long time, actually making it relatively stronger than in q3.

I guess you dont know what sarcasm is, My point hes getting stats(acc% wise ) from 10 years ago EC on OSP you gotta be fucking kidding if you wanna take that comparison to now? its like saying messi is better then maradonna etc... comeon..

can you comprehend any of the things you read?

4dmg, more ammo.

This poll should be closed and remade with a 4dmg +more ammo option. Pretty sure it would win easily. 5 dmg was just stupid.

- 4 dmg
- 4 dmg + ammo
- 5 dmg
- 5 dmg + ammo
- i dont play tdm but i wanna vote anyway

5 dmg + ammo

"more ammo pls" - but how much?

Well there is always mg ammo on the map :D

I prefer TDM's play now with less damage MG but I just want more ammo on it. There was nothing more annoying then getting raped by fresh spawners before or even just 2 people with MG versus you with a weapon. Sure it's not gonna make much of a difference with 5 dmg but consider this...

The damage output at equal accuracy % between 4 damage with more ammo and 5 damage with the same ammo isn't that much different. The only difference is how fast you deal the damage. Therefore, 4 damage with more ammo is more useful as (at least in my opinion) - a) you can't get lucky fresh spawn as often and b) you can use the MG long range to deal slight extra damage more often. It's more dynamic and not just a weapon you forget about once you've picked up better one (obvious you don't completely neglect it, but if you got no ammo... meh)

My noob opinion anyway. I like the damage output the way it is. It's next to useless, but from a team and strategic point of view, that's fine by me. I do sometimes find myself in the "oh for fuck sake, a pummel is more useful" camp often, but hey, that's life. I'd rather find myself cussing the MG for shit damage more often then cussing it for getting my stack being wiped out by sess etc

6 dmg, less ammo

:D

lol'd
to be serious, bring back 5 dmg.

4dmg more 10 ammo

80 damage 10 ammo

400 dmg, 1 ammo

c'mon MG is for noobs

iD cares about what people want ?

yes, people wanted 4 MG dmg in TDM

4 dmg 80-100 ammo

4 + more ammo.

4 + 75 ammo. easy.

edit: same damage for all weapons in all modes imo

4 damage and 50 ammo is fine

players just have to stay away from stacked oppononents until they have a weapon

more people voted 5dmg HAHAHA

plz bring it back then thanks

ffa

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