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A and B. Larger map as well as mega.
edit- I should note that I had pql in mind. Not sure how to best edit the map for vql or both PQL and V

just make it like the cpma version.
its a better layout.
the q4 layout is boring.

I like the map and think it can provide some seriously intense matches.

A and B.

Also:

- Texture set is a bit too high-contrast, and not the most attractive.
- Slime colour isn't nice to look at.
- In other words, complete graphic overhaul is needed. (But not like what was done to fucking The Edge, which sucks iBalls. Sry cityy.)
- Pipes for climbing at YA are a bit messy and time-consuming.
- I'd like to see some more shards and 5hps too.

I'm not sure how the cpma version looked... but the only thing that can save phrantic in QL is a huge decrease in the size of the hallways to lower YA. And a jumppad from RA -> the level above (through that gap).

But even that won't make it a really good map tbh.... it would be playable though.

Jump pad from the RA is a good idea. +mega +more geometry

Just remove the walls like in CPMA

Just remove the walls like in CPMA

And please make solid like cpm29 with the lg on the bottom level and with rail at RA thx

There's no rail on cpm29... but yeah make it like it was intended. Solid is by far my favourite 2v2 map (in cpm)

On the vQL ruleset, MH will likely reduce it to a steamroll map not unlike Aero; however with Aero, it's large enough to play defensive out of control to some extent, Phrantic is just so tiny. A decent starting spawn, and one of the players ends up with MH + YA and perhaps even another item, minus the one of the major weapons. Locking a good item rotation might mean a guaranteed YA/RA + MH + YA. On ZTN it's one thing- but on Phrantic, with no rail, I don't see effectively harassing the controlling player as a real possibility.

Replacing the bottom YA with MH, however, I could definitely see working far better than the option of replacing the 50hp for a 25, and adding a Mega, for a total of YAx2, RA and MH.

Adding some crates to the tele exit platform would be a nice addition too, I think. In my opinion adding them to the left of the exit (facing the direction after stepping out of the tele) would be the optimal placement.

It would take a similar amount of time to either drop down to the tele itself and chainjump over to the YA as it would climbing up the crates and circlejumping over, so the in-control player does not gain a massive advantage to their mobility.

The out of control player would gain some cover for setting up an ambush (for tele exit or YA) and dropping to PG or RA to escape after dealing damage, without being too exposed to RL spam or LG upon retreat.

Also an alternate way out towards the YA and the weak half of the map without dropping, RJ or going the long way around.

I will mock up a few screenies to better illustrate my idea, but can't atm. Will do it shortly, however.

Some extra rampjumpable walls and polygons for PQL would be a rather good addition too, I think. Look at Fuse, it's like butter in PQL because the jumps are easy when in a bind. Rampjumps would really breathe life into the map in PQL, I think.

I had to improvise with this poll because it has a character limit - a fix is on it's way and it should allow unlimited characters.

Ah, understood. Nevermind, then. =DD

Hmmm Phrantic being tiny.... theres a new one....
Just because there is not much on the map doesn't make it tiny....

If anything the map is too large for the fights which are on it.

I never said that.

There's actually quite a lot to do. As well as that, once you get a really good item cycle going (all 25's, coincidentally, the amount of time required to travel from bottom yellow to RA, all the while working up a conversion and being the friendly neighbourhood murderer), you can steamroll harder than on Hektik, a personal favourite of mine, and the person out of control won't have too much say in the matter without giving away an inordinate amount of frags.

Slower than Q4 by far, but still no slouch.

Tox had similar criticism too, especially being famous for the billion+ rail angles you can pull off. It's a much bigger map, with tonnes more to be done and collected, but it plays fast because it is by nature, fast.

Are you sure you didn't say Phrantic is tiny anywhere in the post?
Anywhere at all?

Never said it was plain with nothing to do on it. As far as square surface area is concerned, it's tiny. It's also tiny in how long it takes you to traverse the entirety of it, how tight the margins for error are when you're out of control, and by how quickly it can turn to a conversion-after-conversion type affair.

I said there was not much to do on it. You said it's tiny compared to aerowalk.
I disagree prantic is not tiny as in surface area compared to aero. The layouts are very different but their actual size is not that different.

ye man but aero is a fucking circle, and phrantic is long dick with one ball aka RA room.

lern to bench :D

Bench lol

Love the convo /ideas

A and B. I was really surprised when it was (re)released in QL the differences between it and cpm24.

this map is beyond help

Phrantic and T9 are coming for you.

modify it for pql, not vanilla

Yes it would require an entire rework to even be remotely playable for vql. I think with some wider hallways and a mega health it could be OK for pql.

I can't vote for both A and B. Mega health should be added without changing 50hp bubble to 25.

Just copy cpm24 basically.

http://i.imgur.com/n8LOlkO.png

^^^ This would be great IMO

not bad at all, architechure-wise. but the additional platforms on the right side, i would keep them on bottom level and not top level, otherwise that side would be superstrong, unbalancing things

the strongest point of the map is at upper ya cos there's no rail, you can stand there shotting rockets everywhere just waiting stuff to spawn. The architecture is intended to remove two things from the map; RA used as a very effective trap and the fact that is very easy to deny LG and since there's no RG, this is pretty much what you need to be in control.

It can be optimized, yeah. I made it on paint.

makes sense. good thoughts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_d...eWrU#t=317


+kos textures

Looks neat

http://i.imgur.com/6al6Tzt.png

That map is s smaller than a chinaman's willy.

i love phrantic, would be playing new fast-paced version for hours, with the better flow.

both A and B.

and i love RA jump-pad idea.

not sure if adding hell lot of a stairs would improve a flow. every one of them fucks up your movement around the map, why would you build a whole babylonian tower of stairs, as SIHdW3W proposed.

http://i.imgur.com/nk4mTbd.jpg

the level where im standing would be same height as red, and the one im aiming to would be the end of the stairs. It is just a paint schematic, without making the map on radiant or whatever none of us can tell what's better, a jumppad or stairs, proportions aren't reliable in paint...

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Not a big fan of cpm24, too small =(

A mix between the CPMA and Q4 version would be something

Phrantic was well received in q4, because there werent really a lot maps to choose from and it was very easy to play.

I want to see a new duel map without lightning gun as replacement for t4!

This. Please someone at least try to make such one.

i agree, however it must be rather open, otherwise it will be rl fest

i agree, however it must not be too open, otherwise it will be rg fest

fixed

Or do a more visually appealing version of T4

I think it was well received because it was the only railgun-less map at the time.

RA should be a MH
Portals in QL suck
@YA @ the end under RL should make a ledge to SJ to the upper level not the barrel setup.

memphis' (SIHdW3W ) idea, although a lot ofwork looks like a great way to make a new 'good' map.

Just make a new map swelt. We know you're good for it!

How bout focusing on making maps for reflex instead of quakelive?
Let these ingrates eat cake

The reason this map worked so well in CPMA/Q4 is because of the movement and the nature of the game.

in the Q4 version, you can see how the whole map curves for crouchsliding. Also, the fact that you can shoot projectiles does a whole lot of difference to the Upper YA

And in cpma, theres loads of space for air-control.

You have to think what QL represents. Making it bigger is the right thing to do. Because right now the scale is fucked, and its not right for all 3 games :D.

At least the good news/or old news is that the map has some potential, i always kinda liked this map.

phrantic tick tick tick tick tock

http://imgur.com/a/pk1Wo#0

Now I need to play Reflex just to try this out :<

B definitely.

I would play it.

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