material for the next http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1951967 \o/

Have a + my friend. ;)

why?

1. There is no "official mappool." With the current state of Quake Live, there's plenty of possibilities for altering map lists in tournaments. Of course, there are tournaments like the Intel Extreme Masters, which set the standard for some medium and high level competition, but you shouldn't call it an "official mappool," because there is no such thing.

2. Saying that ztn and dm13 should be replaced with levels that are simply worse is silly.

3. "almost tourney7 has been removed" wat?

4. "Tourney9 is my fav duel map." That's a huge lack of objectivity. I like t9, as well, I very enjoy the struggle there, which I think is quite unique on this level. But it doesn't change the fact that the map is simply boring, both to play and to watch.

5. "After all, I have been reading at esreality later on about removing dm13 and adding t9 back in. Also there are people who would like to see only new maps in official duels." That's just one of the point of views, not a general opinion of ESR users. And I also believe that it is a false statement that the majority of people want only new maps. But, I do not have anything to back up this statement, so do you.

6. "80% of people who voted there are from Quake3 community." Again, where did you get your data from?

7. Ztn spawns were altered in the last update, making the map very well balanced for the first time since Quake 3. Which you cannot say about, for instance, dm6, which is still imbalanced with the current weapon balance, item layout, and spawns.

8. What do you want to achieve? Setting a mappool that everyone's going to obey no matter what? That's just not going to happen. And even if it will, the decisions will not be made on the QL forums.

In general, what you described is just your personal opinion. Meanwhile, my personal opinion about your views is that they are extremely bad. Of course, your post is based on a pool, but this pool is pretty much outdated after the last major Quake Live update. And it doesn't speak for the whole Quake Live community, obviously.

edit: "I would like to see almost only new maps. All players will have to 'start' over. Players (q3 players) are too lazy to learn new ones, besides they will always stick to old maps and remove new maps. T9 as a new map should stay in every map poll." That's so stupid that I began to regret writing this whole post ;x

7. Ztn spawns were altered in the last update, making the map very well balanced for the first time since Quake 3. Which you cannot say about, for instance, dm6, which is still imbalanced with the current weapon balance, item layout, and spawns.


That's a bit far to go... What spawns did they edit? Just the GL spawn right? Now almost every match starts with one player at lower YA RL and the other at LG/mega...

The main problem with ztn was that if you were lucky, you could make a lot of spawn frags. The player that died very often spawned in the GL area, where he couldn't get to any big item quickly enough and getting out of a difficult situation like that was too much of a punishment for dying. Also note that the QL spawn system is turning off 40% (I think, but I may be wrong about the exact number) of the spawns that the enemy is nearest and spawns you randomly in the remaining spawn locations. With two spawns near the GL, the chance of getting a very bad spawn was quite high.

Two changes have been made. The first one you described and the second one is adding an additional spawn near the RL. And these two small changes balanced the map surprisingly nicely.

You are right, that is my opinion, but check comments here a lil bit: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1935464 - people want t9 back and get rid of dm13 :)

This might be my last post. I wanted to see POV of ESR community.

Tourney9 is my fav duel map." That's a huge lack of objectivity.

i laughed hard here.

mostly cos there is noone to discuss with @ quakelive forums

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"Current official duel map list is:

Aerowalk [imo OK]
Battleforged [imo OK]
Blood Run [imo OUT]
Furious Heights [imo OK]
Lost World [imo OUT]"

lol, so you're gonna remove the two best duel maps? i mean, i don't like them very much, i prefer aerowalk and dm6, but i'm not dumb enough to say ztn and dm13 are bad lol, they are nice duel maps, probably the best we have in the pool atm

I didn't say that those maps are bad. I just want new maps instead of ztn and dm13 in map poll and back t9.

The only reason to remove ZTN (or Aero) is if a better map comes along.

Now since versions of both these maps have been in map pools since QW I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

Right. I was never Q3 player, never even played and if I started with QL I wouldn't like ztn. Probably it would have been T9 and T7. This is one example of a non q3 player (I like some of new maps more than old). Ye, map was played a lot or overplayed if I can say so while new maps haven't even been 'tested' so far. I would like people to give it a try.

t9 is plain random and stupid lol

No, it's not.

so gimme a reason why random noobs can put up a challenge vs pro/semi-pro players there?

There is no chance for noobs to even frag pros there.

lmao, so how do you explain me almost having beaten cooller there?
or daxio beating madix and so on? lol

I have beaten u there 35:0 and you almost beaten cooller while cooller beaten me 20:5. Dunno how to explain that. Maybe cooller's bad day?

Draxio is not noob on t9.

i've beat you there more than a couple of times also, so it's just random
was in a zotac cup that cooller happened to won , so he was in a good day
the map's plain random |:

U never won me on t9, besides what i remember there was always a rape (20frg) difference that I won. I dunno why u have so much against me now. We were friends before this post?

i'm not flaming you lol |:
i still love you <3
i think i beat you in t9 tho :((( maybe it wasn't you, i never really played the map so much

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Why not just make a circular arena with no pillars or anything, one player on each side with all weapons and armor. No corner fights, no timing, no traps, wouldnt that be great ? Well guess what, that's not DUEL.

If you want that play CA or so...

The whole point of duel is that you outsmart your opponent so you get frags, and the maps you want out are like the maps you cannot just rush like a monkey.

Agreed, but I didn't say I like map like that. Try to read again and try to understand. :)

you did lol, t9

Sure I'd like new maps, but if we ever gonna replace ztn or dm13 then there atleast has to be new maps with as much depth as those maps.
Besides those 2 we can have more aim/action packed maps, but we also need good brain maps :)

I was huge dm6 fan. This was the map I started with QL, second my fav map was tourney9 since I'm small map fan. But i'm glad that dm6 is gone and replaced with new map. Same should be @ at least dm13.

What you like or dislike is trivial, the only thing that matters is what's good for the duel community, and ztn+dm13 are definetly good, especially ZTN, you just cannot say it has to go.

Agreed, but tourney9 and dm6 are good too. For an example.

im only playing quake for a year or so and dm6 was also my fav map and maybe it still is but u have to agree its more than easy to spawn rape anyone on it

skill rly doesnt matter as much if i got the first frag right next to any item i can easily keep on forcing spawns as long as i want to and keep on fragging

u can control the whole map from RL upper deck

u can drop to MH and to RA when they spawn and frag challenging opponent + u can force him to spawn on the stairs right after to frag him again, go back to rocket launcher and c if he doesnt spawn at the bridge or under, if u doesnt hear/see him u drop down and frag him at the shards/LG

then repeat till u win

as for the t9 i agree it is a great fast paced map with a medium spawn rape rate similar to ztn

well they did put support for joysticks in the last update so i guess t9 can go back in??